Your opinion on what a business is, this is what causes suffering.

Such is your opinion.

“If I set up a business it’s because I want to control the way I get paid for the work I do. Profit is not earnings, it’s money without work. That is what I find so distasteful in my “Socialist-Libertarian philosophies”

Here, we too will have to agree to disagree. That’s just not my dogma.

“And if you couldn’t tell, my positions are not vested bias they are reasoned rationale.”

Fundamentalists of all variety state that, regardless of what they are supposedly being fundamental about, be it religion, politics, sports, etc. Admit it or not, (either ways is fine by me), but people get personally vested in and polarized to these systems and their belief in them. Backing them with expectations of themselves (and of others), this leads to suffering.

“Just because they happen to go against what you consider to be normal does not in and of it’s self disprove them.”

Everything is opinion, of course. there is no right or wrong, except as the individual believes there to be. This too is opinion.

“Of course I’m not expecting anything less from people who have drunk the idiotic greed is good cool aid.”

Yes, I can see that you aren’t….. how did you put it?… ah yes, that’s right….”positions are not vested bias they are reasoned rationale”. I can see that that ad homineum attacks = rationale. It’s that type of logic that has had people at each other’s throats since time began. yes, VERY logical that is.

“Sure business needs good management and to it run properly, but that has _nothing_ at all to do with it’s charter. See chartered business for details on the organisation of going concerns without profit incentives.”

Not always, but in some cases, yes, it does. Anyway, that is another topic of discussion and not relative to this one. My point is that business exist to make money, to generate not just income, but a profit.

You are entitled to your opinions, as I am entitled to mine. I will not try to disuade you from yours, nor attack you personally for them, just because we do not agree. I wish you would have shown me the same respect.

After all, is that the rationale thing to do?

If I set up a business it’s because I want to control the way I get paid for the work I do. Profit is not earnings, it’s money without work. That is what I find so distasteful in my “Socialist-Libertarian philosophies”

And if you couldn’t tell, my positions are not vested bias they are reasoned rationale. Just because they happen to go against what you consider to be normal does not in and of it’s self disprove them.

Of course I’m not expecting anything less from people who have drunk the idiotic greed is good cool aid. Sure business needs good management and to it run properly, but that has _nothing_ at all to do with it’s charter.

See chartered business for details on the organisation of going concerns without profit incentives.

Yes there is. No business wants to just break-even. They want to profit.

“If you’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that a business is only a profit concern, then your view is narrowed and more concealingly the nature of a normal mind is being ignored.”

Businesses don’t exist to be nice, to be cute, they exist to make money. The guy who likes to build PCs and is very good at it, but is lousy at business itself; he makes a wonderful employee but a lousy businessman of a quickly failing business. My view is not narrowed, and my mind is quite normal thank you very much.

I know you have a Socialist-Libertarian twist to your thinking, but you need to step outside of your personally-vested-in views and bias. It’s just business. Nothing personal about it.

“Most FOSS development happens because of self interest, not charity.”

Yes, self-interest indeed, not business.

“It’s a business because it’s a going concern, it doesn’t earn as much profit as closed source because it’s not extortion.”

Again, let go of the Socialist-Libertarian philosophies, step outside for an unbiased viewpoint to uncloud your view.

The level of work you mention is either for a complete “marketable package” or involves research.

Starting FOSS projects with a fascinating core excites users into extending it. Show potential, forget “product” mentality.

If you’ve fallen into the trap of thinking that a business is only a profit concern, then your view is narrowed and more concealingly the nature of a normal mind is being ignored.

Most FOSS development happens because of self interest, not charity. It’s a business because it’s a going concern, it doesn’t earn as much profit as closed source because it’s not extortion.

There’s a reason some very profitable businesses aren’t legal.

If you invest money into something and expect a financial return, it’s a business. Businesses are for profit, not fundamentalism, not ideals, not philosophies. They are about the bottom line. Period.

Take Microsoft for example, rather than trying to pass this “Internet Tax” to help “Fix” Windows security, if they really cared about security and Windows, they’d re-design it from the ground up — or at least update PCs from XP/Vista to Windows 7 for free.

Why don’t they? It’s a business.

Commercial software development is about money, not ideals.

F/LOSS software development is about ideals, philosophies, fundamentalism, egos, etc.

No one writes F/LOSS applications with the idea in mind of doing paid support for them, because the source is open. If they wanted to create a software package and make tons of money off of support, they’d code Microsoft Windows.

(Think about it. Money is made in the sale of Windows, bur far MORE money is made in the support of it.)